Trade: Hustle Loyalty Respect | Organized Chaos

Organized Chaos trades away

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away

  • SS Carlos Correa ($89)
  • SP Ian Anderson (prospect)
  • 2020 2nd Round Pick

Jordan’s Thoughts

I think most people look at trades and shake out roughly how they value players going each direction. Freddie Freeman is a great player at a valuable price. Carlos Correa is arguably a better player, at a more expensive price, however he spent half of this year hurt and he seems to be far from reliable.

Dansby Swanson is 25 years old now and just finished his 3rd straight professional season as a below average hitter. Dansby shows flashes of his capability as a hitter. But, I’m not as high on his future as some others are. If Swanson wasn’t a first overall draft pick, I’m certain people would have moved on from his status already.

Where do you land on Ian Anderson? As someone who’s traded him before. You kind of hate to lose the potential he brings. But, you know its fleeting. I think its way too early to truly call out a winner here for either side. I think given the contexts of each of the teams. I slightly prefer betting on Correa. That’s a gamble at best.

I guess at the end of the day I would have considered Freddie Freeman pretty much untradeable. He’s such a sturdy player to build around. Correa can be better. Ian Anderson might legendary. Fun trade!

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

So where Hustle Loyalty Respect is seemingly giving points away by downgrading from Carlos Correa to Dansby Swanson, he’s also more than making up for that by going to Freddie Freeman from… uh, Garrett Cooper… as his 1Bman. To me, the gap between Correa and Swanson is palatable, especially when you bake in injury histories. The gap between Freeman and Cooper is enormous. Also HLR is saving $13, which is not quite nothing but mostly nothing. It also cost a pretty good pitching prospect and a 2nd round pick, so there’s that. I do know that lots of people have wanted Ian Anderson in trade in the last year or so. Ditto for Freeman. One interesting angle: HLR has had Correa on the trade block forever and he never got moved. Freeman, as best I can remember, has been untouchable. So I think out of Freeman and Correa, Freeman’s been the more coveted asset leaguewide, probably.

Anyway, ballparking it, I’d guess this is something like a 300-400 uptick in 2020 projected points for HLR. Possibly more. It’s a pretty big short-term win, I think. My numbers could also be way off because I did no actual math, yay!

For Organized Chaos, it’s weird in the sense that it subtracts that same amount of points and brings on a super high salary and I’m not totally sure why. If you’re giving up that many points, it signals you’re punting in 2020, but if you’re punting in 2020, Correa’s a weird guy to look to build around for 2021 just based on salary and how the league tends to view high salaries. He’s a great player if he’s giving you 7 points a game at $100 or whatever to keep, fine. My concern is that he’s played in just one full season and only played in 75 this year. Just strikes me as a big investment of talent and salary poured into a player that might not actually be reliable.

My guess would be that Chaos feels like sliding Pete Alonso from UT to 1B and then filling SS with Correa is his best bet moving forward in terms of filling his lineup and having flexibility. I’d still rather have the Freeman/Swanson side here and I don’t honestly think it’s too close, salaries and all that hoopla considered. I wonder what Chaos does from here. I feel like he needs to go add more pieces now.

Trade: Marshall Law | Hustle Loyalty Respect

Marshall Law trades away

  • 3B Nolan Jones

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away

  • 1B Luke Voit ($9)

BAILEY’s Thoughts

This one seems alright to me.

Marshall Law needed a 1Bman and has a bunch of prospect bullets collecting dust, so he fired one off to add someone that will actually score points. Voit’s been a great hitter for the Yankees and he’s cheap to keep at $9, but there are some concerns. The Yankees traded for Edwin Encarnacion (who is a pending free agent) and then left Voit off their ALCS roster, though that may have been injury related. They also always seem to be in the rumor mill for 1Bman help. I have some slight concerns about playing time. If Voit’s a part time player, he’s still valuable given his skills and price, but that value comes down a bit.

Nolan Jones is a prospect I really like but there are concerns with him too. Can he hit for power? Can he show more aggressiveness and cut down on the strikeouts? Who knows? Personally, I’d rather have him than Voit, but I generally just think it’s fairly easy to find suitable 1Bman production and happen to like this one prospect. In a league where Austin Riley, a semi-comparable 3Bman prospect to Jones, was inexplicably traded for Mookie Betts, at least this Jones-for-Voit swap seems somewhat in line with the prospect’s value. If it were a similar but different prospect than Jones here, I might just prefer the Voit side.

In closing, congrats to Marshall Law for pushing a chip and making a concerted effort to compete in 2020. Also congrats to Hustle Loyalty Respect on improving probably the strongest farm in DG without having to tank multiple seasons to do it. Loaded, more than loaded………………………. If you’re looking to trade for prospects HLR is the place to go. Beware HLR is a hustler and values his prospects and in a few years his team is going to be killing it. Hustle is going to win many championships if you believe in building from the bottom up. Truly inspiring stuff here.

Trade: Organized Chaos | Hustle Loyalty Respect

Organized Chaos trades away

  • 2B/SS/CF Garrett Hampson ($0)

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away

  • 3B Colton Welker (prospect)

BAILEY’s Thoughts

Overall this seems okay. If you were looking at a prospect list, these guys are probably close to one another on it. Especially if its tailored to our league, since Hampson would otherwise get a bump in leagues where SBs are worth as much as HR.

Still, I prefer the HLR side getting Hampson. He closed out September/October with a .378 wOBA in the actual major leagues (points now > points in 2021) and at three premium positions while Welker was just okay in AA. I think Welker may even be a 1B now. He’s not a 3B in Colorado with Nolan Arenado there, that’s for sure.

So if the prospects are basically a coin flip, give me the one that’s going to score points sooner and offer more versatility to my team.

LEAVITT’s Thoughts

Wow I like this trade for Hustle. I wish I had seen Hampson on the trade block I would have inquired. Multiple positions (the good ones too). Cost controlled and had good end to the season.

KYLE’s Thoughts

Agreed.

HUSTLE’s Thoughts

He’s on the trade block right now  if either of you are interested

Trade: Hustle Loyalty Respect | Trumpa Loompas

Trumpa Loompas trades away

  • 2020 1st Round Pick

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away

BAILEY’s Thoughts

So in order to move from the 12th pick to the 4th pick, HLR paid Marcell Ozuna and Jake Odorizzi at $36 of salary. So two quite good pieces, at decent prices, in order to lock up one of Rutschman, Vaughn, Witt Jr., or Abrams. Seems good to me considering HLR needs to trim down salary anyway (I think, I’d need to double check with Elton, the league’s unofficial auction budget monitor). HLR’s farm theoretically gets stronger, which is amusing given he didn’t tank to do it. In fact, HLR has tanked only once, and that was in the 2017 League Championship match-up.

Anyway, I think Trumpas “wins” this deal. Congrats.

At this point in the league, it makes sense to me for Trumpas to start pushing whatever chips to aggressively try to improve. Not to be too toxic but, like, how many years of irrelevance did 2019 make?  There’s like eight teams who currently are or previously have torn down for prospects. How does being the ninth provide a path to compete? The easiest path is something like this, where by moving down in the draft you get a slightly worse prospect so you’re still in position to add young cost controlled talent, but you add a solid starting LFman and a decent SPman to score you points now. Trumpas had the lowest scoring offense AND pitching last year. There’s no singular need here. This squad just needs good players and in this deal, they got two and essentially paid nothing that is or was going to score for them for… a while. It’s smart. And this wasn’t even taking on huge salaries for a year to try and quickly make an impact. Both Ozuna and Odorizzi have long-term value.

Trade: Hustle Loyalty Respect | Marshall Law

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away

  • 2020 Draft Pick, Round 5 (JobuNeedsARefill)

Marshall Law trades away

  • Myers, Wil

Jordan’s Thoughts

Wil Myers was once traded for Bryce Harper. Now he’s a throw away deal for a useless draft pick. Wil Myers still squares up balls, but the exit velocity is below average. I think Wil Myers is probably what he is, is best asset to any team now is that he qualifies for most positions. Solid depth piece. Marshall Law won’t miss him, but didn’t gain much for giving him away.

 

Trade: Marshall Law | Hustle Loyalty Respect

Marshall Law trades away

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away

  • Corbin Martin (RIP)
  • 2020 4th Round Pick

BAILEY’s Thoughts

Simply by getting something for a $59 Jake Arrieta, I will congratulate Marshall Law as the winner of this trade.

I had personally been interested in Arrieta as a depth piece, but I just couldn’t muster up much of an offer. He’s not particularly good anymore (4.95 FIP), he’s too expensive to keep or re-trade, and his playoff match-ups aren’t even favorable (@ CIN, vs. BOS and ATL). But still, he logs innings and if he’s your 9th or 10th starting pitcher, which he is for HLR, then he’s fine as a rental that you just hope you never really have to use and then just cut when the time comes. HLR is savvy enough picking up prospects that the 4th rounder doesn’t matter and Corbin Martin is out with Tommy John, so he’s going to miss all of 2020 and probably the early part of 2021. Maybe there’s a rotation spot for him when he returns, maybe not. Maybe he returns without any diminished skills, maybe not.

I don’t think Marshall Law was going to do better than this. It’s splitting hairs, maybe, because perhaps someone offers a non-broken prospect that you think is more interesting.

The most interesting part of this trade is what Arrieta goes for at auction after he’s inevitably cut, and that really has nothing to do with the trade. With the rule changes, the auction should be deeper than in prior years. But owners simply don’t drop good starting pitchers. So as usual, there should be a bunch of teams clamoring for pitching. Is Arrieta a $35-40 pitcher at auction simply because teams need arms and have too much cash to spend? It wouldn’t surprise me.

Trade: TBD | The Foundation

TBD trades away

  • Chirinos, Robinson

The Foundation trades away

  • 2020 Draft Pick, Round 2 (Hustle Loyalty Respect)
  • 2021 Draft Pick, Round 4 (The Foundation)

Haddy’s Thoughts

The Foundation needed catching help badly, and gets a guy who will produce at or about replacement level rates but plays quite a bit for a catcher.  Chirinos is currently 8th in PAs this year.  His production is mediocre, but he’ll pop a big game from time to time.  His redeeming value is that he plays, and in a lineup that turns over.

TBD has Gary Sanchez and James McCann, making Chirinos expendable.  At 35, Chirinos likely doesn’t have a long future left and TBD nailed down a couple future assets that they will flip for something else down the road, either as a pick or a prospect they draft and cultivate.  With the 2020 #2 pick likely being somewhere in the 24-25 range, TBD should be able to find a nice player the rest of missed.

I like this trade for both sides as a need for future value play.

Trade Hustle Loyalty Respect | Capital City Ironmen

Hustle Loyalty Respect🏃🤝✊trades away

  • Stammen, Craig $5.50
  • $3 Auction Cash

Capital City Ironmen trades away

  • Brebbia, John $5.50
  • $3 Auction Cash

Jordan’s Thoughts

Craig Stammen has been an average reliever for the Padres this year. He was recently picked up from the free agent waiver wire this morning. With his high keeper price tag, and the low ceiling value of relievers. I think Stammen is just plugging a hole here.

John Brebbia has been an average reliever for the Cardinals this year. He was recently picked up from the free agent waiver wire this morning. With his high keeper price tag, and the low ceiling value of relievers. I think Brebbia is just plugging a hole here.

The $3 swaps of auction cash likely balances out before the auction. I think both sides plugged holes they felt needing plugging and it cost them nothing. I am certain the trade gave both +5 in the relationship experience bar. That could be valuable soon!

Trade: Organized Chaos | Hustle Loyalty Respect

Organized Chaos trades away:

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away:

  • 1B Grant Lavigne
  • SP Lucas Sims ($5.50)
  • 2020 3rd Round Pick

BAILEY’s Thoughts

If I had to bet money on who in this league is the biggest “Rick Porcello fan,” I’d put money on myself. Yet… despite Porcello being relentlessly offered to everyone, I never pulled the trigger. And I’m okay with it.

Porcello’s been a good, if not great, pitcher throughout his career who offers a solid, boring floor and some occasional clunkers. He’s durable and reliable. This year there have been more clunkers than normal, but at least one (the stupid London) game you can safely disregard. Going forward, I expect Porcello to be a decent depth starter that usually won’t kill you. In this league, my problem is his salary for what he is. If there weren’t salaries, his value goes up, in my opinion. But because there are and he’s $25 ($27 to keep, minimum)… I find him in a weird gray area of keepable players. You could keep him. But I wouldn’t, personally. Those clunkers I just mentioned have been going up in frequency and the floor seems to be getting lower and lower, which is all fine because it’s still a fairly safe floor, but Porcello at $27 isn’t all that different from a bunch of $10 or less dart throws. I suspect that — and what I’ve got to say, was a crazy high asking price — is what made this trade take so long to finally happen. Another thing about Porcello: there’s great temptation to sit him in tough match-ups, but he’s a pretty good pitcher overall, so sometimes he does really well in those games. He’s good to randomly dominate the Yankees on your bench once a year. Which does you zero good and is really frustrating.

In the end, Swinson got, for starters, basically a fringe top-150 prospect in Grant Lavigne, who I feel like falls outside the top-200 in most circles if not for the prospect of playing home games in Coors Field. I haven’t paid much attention to him, but I believe Hustle offered him to me recently, and one thing I think I know about Hustle is this: he’s really good at finding prospects (“he’s the single greatest prospector I’ve ever played with, hands down, no exceptions” – Steve Fernsler), but if he offers you one, he’s either getting something awesome in return or feels comfortable replacing the guy with someone else off waivers. I think the latter is the case here. Lavigne’s a teenage 1Bman-only prospect that beasted last year but has underwhelmed this year over a larger sample. So basically, the upside isn’t there and the wait time is too long for a guy that plays a position that’s super easy to fill, so this trade shuttles him off with profit and lets Hustle add a better lottery ticket off waivers. Seems fine!

So in addition to Lavigne, there’s Lucas Sims, who was once a top prospect but sort of fell off the map, then reappeared this year in Cincinnati. He had one good start in May and then… vanished. I mean, not vanished. He’s alive and pitches. But it’s in the minors, where he’s got a 1.09 HR/9. He’s also not cost controlled, so he’s $7 to keep right now, which really is fine. If he was cost controlled he’d be $1 instead and the $6 is pretty irrelevant. But still. That makes Sims a tad less valuable. Cost control is life.

And finally, there’s a third round pick which… okay, cool. Whatever.

In the end, this trade is weird to me as someone who received a ton of Porcello offers over the months. This deal is Porcello for Lavigne in my eyes, which is… well, seems like a way lower asking price than I ever recall seeing. Maybe I’m just not high enough on Sims and don’t care enough about draft picks (I recently traded a first rounder for Andrelton Simmons and legitimately have no idea why, but someone else actually traded a pick for a relief pitcher so I don’t feel as bad about that anymore). And again, if one owner maybe, possibly thinks they can pick a better prospect up off waivers tomorrow in Lavigne… what’s that say about the haul?

Anyway, trade is obviously fine overall. I’d rather have HLR’s side here even if cutting Porcello at year’s end, but I at least like knowing that Coach shopped and shopped and presumably landed here, on a deal he likes.

Trade: Hustle Loyalty Respect | JobuNeedsARefill

Hustle Loyalty Respect🏃🤝✊trades away

  • Voth, Austin

JobuNeedsARefill trades away

  • 2020 Draft Pick, Round 5 (JobuNeedsARefill)

Jordan’s Thoughts

Anytime you can trade a 5th round pick for a starter in Major League Baseball, you have to do it. HLR probably needed the roster spot so they could turn over their roster more for no other reason than curing boredom. So I guess from that perspective, that’s a win for Iosim.

Jobu gets a pitcher that has made two MLB starts, and while he’s probably a back end pitcher, you need those guys to build a team. Its a clear win for Jobu.

BAILEY’s Thoughts

This is alright.