Trade: TBD | Organized Chaos

TBD trades away
3B Bobby Dalbec
2020 3rd Round Pick

Organized Chaos trades away
SP Matthew Liberatore
2020 2nd Round Pick

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

Prospect for prospect trades are kinda fun.

Organized Chaos has a gaping hole at 3B and so maybe Bobby Dalbec gets called up this year and helps. OC also has a bunch of pitching prospects and pitching prospects are fickle, so who knows which, if any, will become something good. Meanwhile, TBD is flush with 3B because they were given stud cost controlled 3Bman Matt Chapman for a slapdick prospect that will hopefully one day be as good as Matt Chapman already is but in the distant future, after the next MLB labor strike etc, and also they have Kris Bryant, Yuli Gurriel, and Eduardo Escobar on their 3B depth chart. TBD is truly a yearly 3Bman powerhouse. Great job, Josh. Basically Dalbec was totally superfluous so hey, might as well add a Rays pitcher.

Yeah, this is a fair trade. My favorite part is the pick swap. Eight picks was apparently the difference between Dalbec and Matt Liberatore and damn it, TBD just wasn’t doing this deal unless they moved up. They stole a move right out of Marshall Law’s playbook and executed it to perfection. I respect it.

I like this trade for both teams. Seems fair and fine and good. And as always, the destination doesn’t even matter. It’s about the experience. The thrill of the negotiation. Metaphorically it’s like fishing. The thrill of the fight is more exciting and fun than the actual catch. But to have that excitement it takes the fish and the angler to be active participants. Reeling in a fish that isn’t doing much isn’t that rewarding. That’s my big takeaway from this trade.

Trade: Marshall Law | Capital City Income

Marshall Law trades away
Aaron Bracho
Yusniel Diaz
Howie Kendrick $7

Crapital Shitty Income trades away
Kyle Hendricks $39

 

HUSTLE’S TOXIC $0.02

Another Seems Fine‚ĄĘÔłŹ trade.¬† Marshall is clearly using prospects to compete in 2020 and cashing in for Kyle Hendricks without dealing anyone too elite seems smart. Despite his lack of strikeouts, Hendricks is always someone who gets a lot of efficient innings which becomes important as we switch over to IP from starts.¬† Hendricks also becomes a no doubt starter for Marshall Law each week, with his rotation having the likes of McCullers, Kopech, and Fried, some stability was certainly needed and probably still some to be desired.

Bailey purchased Hendricks for Joc Pederson, Brock Burke, Isan Diaz, and Cody Bolton near the deadline and then used him and turned him into this. It was a nice rental and tenure for former CCI legend Kyle Hendricks. The return is pretty close to what he paid for him, so that’s a win right there. He borrowed and used an asset at basically no interest. Which is a segue to my next point and nobody he got in return was particularly interesting. Both Diaz and Bracho make CCI’s farm considerably better than what it was, so kudos. With 30 roster spots for minor leaguers and moving to 35, you need guys, and these are certainly guys.¬† As for Howie Kendrick, it was no secret to the league that he wanted to acquire him, so congrats to that. Kendrick was a monster in limited PAs last year, but if someone signs him to be a starter and his underlying skills stay in tact he’s a pretty valuable 1b/2b/3b option. On the flip side he is older and has almost never performed that well for a full season

Makes sense for both teams!

Jordan’s take

I got to see some of Aaron Bracho down in Lake County to close this season. The bat speed looks alright, but I question his pitch selection.¬† These sorts of things tend to work themselves out in the long run, but he’s really going to have to adjust his torque if he wants to get to his full 15 HR upside.

Keith’s take

I knew Hendricks was on the block, but I didn’t think he’d be given away for free.

Fern’s take

Bailey got a bundle of players and the auction got weaker. Weird.

Elton’s take

Bailey trades for another 1bman.  Typical. He still has a lot of $ to shed.

HADDY’s take

It’s November.

DAN’S take

I don’t make trades, but if I made a trade, it would be a championship move because a champion was making it.

TBD’S take

I would have offered more -Josh

I would have offered less -Joe

BAILEY’S take

I would have never traded away Kyle Hendricks if I knew everyone would review this trade.

 

 

Trade: TBD | Jobu Needs a Refill

TBD trades away
3B Gio Urshela ($7)
Two 2020 4th Round Picks

JobuNeedsARefill trades away
SS Alexander Vargas (prospect)
Two 2020 2nd Round Picks

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

I like this deal for Jobu, adding a cheap 3Bman that put up a .369 wOBA last year. Honestly, I’m not a big Gio Urshela believer. He ran a high BABIP, doesn’t walk much, and probably got a lot of his power from the bouncy ball that may or may not return in 2020. I’m also not sure about his playing time. Having said all that, he’s undeniably a 28-year-old that costs a measly $7 and put up 1.548 points per plate appearance last year. That is all very good and I think you’re better off betting on real, actual production that just happened than on future picks. It’s still crazy to me that the league collectively looks at players that just did what Urshela did, then at his cost, and still seem to prefer fringe prospects that won’t debut for several years. So good on Jobu for taking the gamble that 2019 was legit. If it’s not, oh well, he’s out three prospects that won’t debut until sometime after MLB’s labor strike anyway.

For TBD, they seemingly don’t believe in Urshela either and will happily take a decent Yankee prospect and more picks to either strengthen one of the best farms in the league or flip whoever they draft to Senior Squids or Trumpa Loompas for whoever their best player is in May. It’s smart and I respect it. Good job, Josh.

The biggest loser in this trade is me, because four picks being moved means I had to update the draft sheet four times. I hated every second of it.

HUSTLE’S TOXIC $0.02

After reading Bailey’s review I have some thoughts. 1) Does anyone want to make a trade with just draft picks involved and 2) Where were you when Gio Urshella was on the block?

I prefer the picks here, because I don’t really believe in Urshella as more than just an average 3bman.¬† Personally, I think one 2nd rounder should have been able to get it done.¬† That being said, taking Urshella seems like a fine gamble for Jobu to make here.¬† I think the Yankees will start him at 3b and if he hits anything close to like he did last year, he will stay, I’d lean he doesn’t.¬† Either way, ultimately Seems Fine‚ĄĘÔłŹ.

Trade: JobuNeedsARefill | Capital City Income

Capital City Ironmen trades away
2020 Draft Pick, Round 4 (Capital City Ironmen)
Stroman, Marcus ($49)

JobuNeedsARefill trades away
Neidert, Nick ($0 prospect)
Hayes, Ke’Bryan ($0 prospect)
2020 Draft Pick, Round 3 (TBD)

HUSTLE’S TOXIC $.02

After months (seemingly) of everyone getting Marcus Stroman offers, he was finally traded.¬† $49 strikes me as a high salary for him. That being said, he probably goes close to this in auction, maybe slightly more depending on who else is in auction? Will there be a better pitcher in auction than Samardzja/Lester/Archer? Kershaw?¬† Stroman had a sparkling 3.22 ERA last year but his FIP/XFIP suggest he was pitcher closer to a 4 ERA pitcher. The K/9 was just under 8, which is an improvement from 2018. I’m not sure Stroman and his contract would be a guy I’d target, but I also don’t hate it.¬† Clark’s rotation got deeper and behind Flaherty, he know has Sandy Alcantara, Stroman, Wood, Houser , Mahle and Bundy, amongst a few others. Getting Stroman for Clark is at the very least a guy he can throw out for just about every start, and he needed it.

Bailey picks up a shitpick upgrade, congrats. He also made his farm stronger, a rarity for the Crapitol Shittys. KeBryan Hayes is now his #1 prospect and Nick Neidert is probably somewhere in the top 5, maybe even #2. It’s a Dynasty League after all, and you can’t always be trading for good older players and expect to be competitive forever.

I really like going after these guys.¬† Hayes was a highly regarded prospect last year and some shine wore off, but he was a beast in the 2nd half after injury, so I this was a great buy low prospect. I hate doing the “Who will be next year’s ____” type question, because usually the type of season that prompts that question is usually in reference to something that doesn’t happen too often. That being said, Nick Neidert sure seems like a possibility for next year’s Gallen.¬† A guy who looks clearly like a starter, but just needed his stuff to tick up a bit, and he looked great in the AFL. So two live close to the major prospects for a $49 Stroman seems like a great deal, especially since I assume Bailey couldn’t keep him.

Based on liking the two prospects here, I think I’d give the edge to Bailey here.¬† I think there were better less salaries pitchers on the tradeblock that could have potentially been obtained without Hayes, but maybe not.¬† I still think overall this made Clark’s team better for 2020, and if Stroman has a similar season then he might not regret any of what he gave up.

 

 

 

Trade: TBD | Marshall Law

Marshall Law trades away
Marsh, Brandon($0 Prospect)
2021 Draft Pick, Round 3 (We Talk Fantasy Sports)
2020 Draft Pick, Round 1 (Marshall Law)
Lynch, Daniel ($0 Prospect)

TBD trades away
Altuve, Jose ($67)
2021 Draft Pick, Round 4 (The Foundation)

 

Hustle’s Toxic $.02

Trade actually seems pretty good for Marshall I think.¬† Jose Altuve is expensive, but not THAT expensive like some guys are, and he’s the top 2bman in the game, and somehow still in his 20s. He should be elite for a couple years and at currently one of the more scarce positions. TBD has certainly rebuilt their farm in a few trades. Brandon Marsh, former HLR legend, is someone I like but probably not anything too special. He gets Jayson Werth comps, so that would be his upside.¬† Lynch is certainly one of the better SP prospects and they get the 5th overall pick too, which probably nets them someone pretty decent.¬† ¬†I kinda think I would have punted someone besides Altuve for prospects, but I’m not intimately familiar with TBD’s roster salary-wise and how much they needed to cut. That’s someone else’s job.

Marshall got a lot of prospects and then traded a bunch away (still having many good ones) to compete for 2020 and has lapped many teams who have yet to make playoffs.¬† I rank Marshall’s team close to 6 in my¬† Power Ranking (full rankings available to Hustle Media subscribers), which is a good spot to be in heading into 2020.

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

Congrats to Marshall on the acquisition of 2019 World Series Runner-Up Jose Altuve and another future shitpick. From the perspective of acquiring fantasy baseball points for your fantasy baseball team, I think this is a great deal for you. All adding 2019 World Series Runner-Up Jose Altuve cost here was two fringe prospects, a meaningless 2021 draft pick, and most of all… the fifth overall pick this year and your choice of CJ Abrams or Riley Greene. Oh man. I know who I’d choose.

Trade: TBD | JobuNeedsARefill

JobuNeedsARefill trades away
Baz, Shane ($0 prospect)
Kieboom, Carter ($0 prospect)

TBD trades away
Sanchez, Gary ($35)
Wood, Alex ($9)

Hustle’s Toxic $.02

My knee jerk reaction is to always give TBD the benefit of the nod for a trade, they scout prospects well, so I just assume they kind of bought low on Keiboom after a forgettable major league debut and Baz is probably an Ace now. Whatever.¬† The trade does seem OK. I look back on this old trade review where Elton originally gave up Sanchez (a slightly cheaper version of him) for 4 prospects, only one of which really has legs in 2020.¬† So 2 full seasons later Sanchez gets moved for 2 prospects.¬† Now, I’m sure all 4 of those prospects looked a lot better 2 seasons ago, but point remains, if only one of these TBD scouted prospects hits, the return is probably similar.¬† So trading Sanchez 2 years too soon netted basically nothing but losing out production on one of the better catchers in the game, and he still is.

A lot of TBDs trades thus far needs to be looked at in the lens that they need to cut guys to get to $500, a rule many people hated without understanding, or they hated because of “bundling”, the least American and moral thing that can be done. I’m sure they chose which players they could get value from to get salary off their ledger and landed on Sanchez because they also acquired Carson Kelly for free and have James McCann.¬† Personally, I think both are probably a decent downgrade from Sanchez, so I assume they might be in the market for a catcher if they can get one. I do also really like Carson Kelly, but just not banking on him to be very good, and Sanchez has been elite when healthy at his position for a few years now, albeit he may have peaked.

The prospects are good. Clark gets the best or second best catcher in baseball for under 10% of his budget. I can’t say I dislike it for him.¬† He regrets this trade only if one of the prospect turns into a superstar and Sanchez sucks, which seems under 50% of both those things happening.

Good trade for…. BOTH teams.

BAILEY’s THOUGHTS

I’m going to give the win to Jobu here simply for being willing to deal prospects that we’ve all heard of for proven MLB talent. Gary Sanchez is a very good catcher and Alex Wood is a fine wildcard. Wood’s an injury-riddled season removed from being an 800 point pitcher and was a 900 point pitcher the year prior. This is a good risk. If he’s hurt again, you cut him pre-2021 and move on.

It’s possible this deal looks crappy eventually because Sanchez’s defense sucks so bad that he’s 1B or UT only while one or both of these prospects are awesome and cheap, but that’s down the road. Go get you some points now and put up a fight.

For TBD, this is just your standard Yearly Powerhouse budget move. I look forward to them trading one of Shane Baz or Carter Kieboom in June for a couple of high priced studs.

Trade: TBD | The Process

TBD trades away

The Process trades away

  • 1B Christian Walker ($7)
  • 2B/SS Terrin Vavra

    BAILEY’S (TOXIC?!) THOUGHTS

    Okay, up front, let me say that I completely understand the following: TBD is way over the salary cap and cuts need to be made or discounts need to be taken in trade; Anthony Rizzo is super expensive; Christian Walker is super cheap and only posted 168.1 fewer points than Rizzo which, given salaries, makes Walker a super attractive value alternative; Terrin Vavra has sweet, sweet cost control. This trade based on all of these facts is fine. This is fine. IT IS FINE, GUYS.

But like… this is all you get for Anthony Rizzo? Dude has had over 1,000 points in all but one season (he had 972 in 2018) since 2014 (so his success is juiced baseball-proof) and he fetches… a cheaper, lesser 1Bman and a not even top-200 prospect at this moment in time? I know who Terrin Vavra is, I get that he’s a prospect that could be a monster a year from now, whatever. This could also be the last time you ever seeBut today he’s… not been on any offseason list I’ve seen. I also get that he’s the secondary piece here but I still feel uncomfortable with seeing a perennial 1,000 point player traded for only two pieces, one of which is a 22-year-old in A-ball that the industry isn’t counting among the league’s 200 best at this moment in time.

In 2019, 56 players scored 1,000 points. In 2018, that number was 42. So to be clear, a guy not even counted among the top 150 or 200 prospects (and uh, Walker) is worth one of the top 40-50 actual scorers in the game, because salary. Fun, fun stuff.

This reeks of TBD rushing to shed budget space and hopping on the first players they liked offered up, which sadly is maybe just where we are as a league now. Maybe they love Walker, maybe they love Vavra. That’s fine. I like both guys too, although I specifically remember Organized Chaos relentlessly offering Walker to me — and everyone else — for weeks straight until finally, mercifully, Ferns accepted one of those deals. Which is funny in retrospect. Because now suddenly he’s super valuable? Anyway…

There are five or six teams with like $250 (of not real money, to be clear) to spend and half those teams haven’t really even checked in yet. Did they know Rizzo was available? Were they interested? Dear god, tell me those teams didn’t say they had no interest in a 1,000 point player and instead want to just wallow in the standings another year bEcAuSe SaLaRy aNd VaLuE (this is totally what happened). And actually, the “I don’t want them, you’re over cap and need to cut so I’ll wait for auction” is a defensible stance for those teams, except players like that never hit auction. They’re given away in trades like these. So you really can’t afford to just shun big time points scorers because of their salary or you’ll simply never have one and if you’re not trying to amass points, why are you here?

It’s a fine DG 2019 trade, it really is. Rizzo’s been hit by so many pitches, who knows, maybe the cliff finds him this year and Walker outscores him. I don’t think that’d change my point. It just, again, doesn’t feel like a “fantasy baseball trade” to me. I recently traded a pointless 5th round draft pick for Clayton Kershaw. Does that not strike anyone as symptomatic? This isn’t MLB where you’re trading millions of real dollars and contractual seasons. It’s just kinda like, sometimes, I don’t know what game we’re actually playing. The trade is fine given all the context, and maybe I’m dumb for trying to re-frame the context, I just feel like the context is unhealthy at this point.

 

Hustle’s TOXIC $.02

Jeeze, those sound like the words of a man whose team is about to lose the World Series. Bailey, please call me tonight if you need to talk. As a veteran fan of a team who just lost BACK TO BACK WORLD SERIES OF THE WORLD, I know that feel.

Anyway this trade…. SEEMS FINE TM. I agree that some of these teams with $200 or so budget not jumping on the Rizzo train is one of the more concerning aspects of this trade.¬† TBD was way over budget and chose who¬† they wanted to cut, and got a useful 1b and a prospect that they something in. Seems fine rather than cutting him for nothing. Seems way better than a 5th rounder for Kershaw.¬† Anyway, I also talked to Josh and he says he did shop Rizzo around to other teams. TBD doesn’t strike me as the team to not do their due diligence, so I believe that this was probably their best deal or close to it.

After years of driving a tank in Dynasty Grinders, Ferns has made a 2017 Baileyesque move and bought an expensive “older” player to finally compete. There’s a post somewhere where Bailey actually wrote/bragged about how he went from Tanker to Champion. Ferns certainly has the roster to compete and that’s his plan. But with only tank driving on his DG resume, is he suited for a role as a competitor in this league? Trades like this tend to say so.

These types of trades are bound to happen in a league that mimics a lot of how MLB operates. Gerrit Cole got traded for a terrible prospect haul by the Pirates, so did JD Martinez, oh wait that was another league, in MLB JD Martinez was literally traded for nothing/Dawell Lugo.¬† We play in a salary cap league, and sometimes you have a very good team like TBD does, and have to cut cap. They did that. I also don’t think Ferns paid nothing for this either, after greed he’s nearly going to pay 20% of his budget on last years 7th best 1bman. Ferns also gave away a decent 1b in Walker and an OK prospect. I guess I just don’t see this as a free acquisition.

Good trade for both teams guys!

Trade: Marshall Law | TBD

Marshall Law trades away

  • 2B/3B Ty France ($7)

TBD trades away

HUSTLE’S TOXIC $0.02

I once spent an entire offseason sending Greg Bird offers to Ferns before one got accepted and I’m pretty sure we both lost that deal.¬† Anyway, I much rather have Ty France. He had arguably the best AAA season out of anyone in 2019, he batted nearly 400 in 348 PAs. Of course some of that was the ball and environment, but point still stands, that he was arguably the best, and he’s at an age where a breakout doesn’t seem crazy.¬† So naturally, I like the TBD side here.¬† The position eligibilities are just a bonus.

Greg Bird is playing in the Dominican Winter League or something. Will he get non tendered by the Yankees? Will he be a bench bat?¬† I like the idea of locking up both Yankees 1b by Marshall to have “the guy”, but I think there’s a chance Greg Bird isn’t even the backup option. I’d argue the Yankees would sign someone before that sadly.¬† Maybe Greg Bird will rebound¬† in a new venue or maybe Luke Voit gets hurt and it’s Bird Time in the Big Apple again.¬† I’m pretty comfortable saying I think Ty France scores more fantasy points than Greg Bird in 2020, and at the same price and better eligibility, one side is better for me here.

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

Oh man, is there still Greg Bird hype/hope in 2019. Amazing.

Trade: TBD | The Foundation

TBD trades away

  • Chirinos, Robinson

The Foundation trades away

  • 2020¬†Draft Pick, Round¬†2 (Hustle Loyalty Respect)
  • 2021¬†Draft Pick, Round¬†4¬†(The Foundation)

Haddy’s Thoughts

The Foundation needed catching help badly, and gets a guy who will produce at or about replacement level rates but plays quite a bit for a catcher.  Chirinos is currently 8th in PAs this year.  His production is mediocre, but he’ll pop a big game from time to time.  His redeeming value is that he plays, and in a lineup that turns over.

TBD has Gary Sanchez and James McCann, making Chirinos expendable.  At 35, Chirinos likely doesn’t have a long future left and TBD nailed down a couple future assets that they will flip for something else down the road, either as a pick or a prospect they draft and cultivate.  With the 2020 #2 pick likely being somewhere in the 24-25 range, TBD should be able to find a nice player the rest of missed.

I like this trade for both sides as a need for future value play.

Trade: Marshall Law | TBD

Marshall Law trades away

  • 2020¬†Draft Pick, Round¬†3 (Marshall Law)
  • 2020¬†Draft Pick, Round¬†4 (Marshall Law)

TBD trades away

  • Freeland, Kyle $5

Jordan’s thoughts

So last year Kyle Freeland was really good. Like really really good. This year he has been bad enough to get demoted back to the minor leagues. Last year he limited HR/9 to 0.76, and this year its at 2.43. That’s really bad. Seems a little fluky, but it’s a problem. His walk rate is up too, but this seems all fixable.

These are the kinds of deals I love seeing teams like Marshall Law making. You see an asset available. He’s covered in mud. Value might be low, might not ever recover. But, the best prospect is a young player who has already had success the majors in my opinion. Even if Freeland is just bad for the rest of time, two draft picks costs nothing to take a chance at potentially getting a above average starting pitcher.

For TBD, you like getting draft picks for players that are potential cuts. When you’re on top of the standings, the roster crunch doesn’t allow you to sit on players who have faded. So getting some value from a team that likely isn’t a threat to you this year is a win win.

 

Hustle’s Toxico $.02

Going to try and do that thing where I don’t read the review above first.

Trade Seems Fine (TM). It’s not super exciting for either party, which means it’s a reasonable trade.¬† I would never trade a bunch for a non exciting Rockies pitcher, but this wasn’t a bunch. The Rockies thought Kyle Freeland was so bad, even by their standards, that he had to go down to AAA after a pretty stellar 2018.¬† In AAA, Freeland has continued to be bad.¬† I think one pick should probably have been enough to get this done, but this is nitpicking.¬† If I’m throwing darts at back end starters, I rather use just one pick or move or move on to a different starter. I doubt there was a bidding war for Freeland, and I doubt TBD doesn’t jump on the opportunity to acquire a free pick and pick up a new green flag guy.¬† If Marshall is optimistic on Freeland more than just a dart throw, then adding in a low end pick seems more than fine to do. If Freeland turns it around, he seems like a great under $10 pitcher keep.¬† Either way, I like this trade for both teams.

AT THIS POINT, I HAVE DECIDED TO READ JORDAN’S REVIEW.

I like Jordan’s review better than mine. He used more numbers.¬† Also, I noticed I wrote “toxico” instead of “toxic”.¬† I kind of like toxico more now.¬† Let me know your thoughts.