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Organized Chaos I Pine Mountan Podstars

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Organized Chaos

gets 

pick 8 in this years draft
2nd rounder in 2022
Jorge Mateo

Pine Mountain Podstars

gets

Touki Toussant
Alex Reyes
Justus Sheffield
Mike Yastrzemski
Lazaro Armenteros

Beer Goggles are a thing in dynasty fantasy baseball. We have all worn them at some point right? Some people just get a little carried away when trying to acquire a 1st round pick and lose their freaking mind. At the bar you may have a wing man who hasn’t had as much to drink who can warn you that the girl across the way isn’t quite the trophy  you think she is. I’m certain assman Fito has wanted to make some trades in the past where wingman Rawlings has had to pump the brakes and let sanity prevail. Truth be told I wish I had a wingman when I decided to send Jameson Taillon packing for a couple picks to save salary when he was facing TJ surgery. If anyone thinks they have the goggles on, and wants a reality check, I would be available to take a quick glance for you. Don’t  wake up next to Kathy Bates.

I guess you know where I am going with this. I love this trade for Pine Mountain Podstars. Why? Mike Yastrzemski came out of nowhere the last couple years. At 29 this past year he put up an OPS of .968. Should have a couple peak seasons ahead of him. I probably wouldn’t have given up my first round pick for him, but would have thought long and hard about it. I tend to keep mine just because I enjoy making picks, that is my favorite part of fantasy baseball, so I understand the desire to acquire them. And I believe that is why you generally always have to overpay, because people like drafting “their” guys.  Mike Y  is by far the best player in the deal, but not the sole reason why I love this deal for Podstars. He also acquired 3 quality arms that are all mlb ready at a huge discount. Justus Sheffield as recent as 2019 was the mariners #1 prospect, scouting reports are good and he is ready to contribute. Alex Reyes has been toying with people for 5 years, major hype,  major injuries. Eventually these guys tend to click…look at Urias in LA recently for a recent example. Touki Tousaant, another highly touted prospect who has lost his shine and may be headed to the bullpen, but you never know and they are good to stash and just see what happens. 

Jorge Mateo had a decent 2019 in AAA, so maybe Coach really likes him. Maybe he is the next Mike Y to figure it out in his late 20’s. 

It’s not absolutely horrible. Reyes and Toussant are guys that probably dont have a ton of trade value as they are total wildcards at this stage, but nice wildcards to have. Like I said its fairly hard to get anybody’s first round pick a few months before the draft without overpaying. And I do like this draft. But take a look at any draft and its littered with misses. Chances of getting a bonafide major leaguer at pick 8 are what 50%? getting an allstar 25%? I’d guess those numbers are too high. So when you can can trade a 1st round pick for an allstar caliber player and 3 former 1st round type talents near mlb ready, you probably should.  The statistics here would favor Pine Mountain. Coach better make these picks count. 

The other way to spin this…… Chaos traded away 2 bullpen arms, a mediocre SP prospect and a late blooming journeyman at his peak value to acquire two high picks which he will have cost controlled for years. That could be more accurate and that would likely be Chaos’s mindset. I’m just giving you a Hot take cause I know Coach Steve can handle it.

 

Trade: Suplex City | Who’s Your Haddy

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Who’s Your Haddy trades away

  • Clarke Schmidt – $0 cc
  • Taylor Trammell – prospect
  • Brett Baty – prospect
  • 2021 Draft Pick, Round 3 Pick 3

Suplex City trades away

 

Suplex City continues trading at a feverish pace. This time he parts with batting champ Tim Anderson. Haddy makes his first move of the day and fills an obvious need at SS.

I think I give this one to Suplex City. The prospect package he got for Anderson is headlined by Clarke Schmidt, who I really like. It is pretty clear that the Yankees love the guy because they were super cautious with him in 2020 and made sure not to start his service time. He’s also already at the major league level. Even if they keep him in the minors to start the 2021 season to work on his defense or whatever excuse they use to manipulate his service time.. he’ll still be a $0 cost controlled starter that puts up quality innings. Just as you can read through the lines with Schmidt, you can do the same for Trammell. It is pretty clear that major league front offices value him quiet a bit less than the fantasy baseball community. If he was a sure fire stud, he wouldn’t have been traded twice before his debut. First he was traded in a deal for Trevor Bauer then in a deal for Austin Nola. Not a great trend. He’s already 23 and the Mariners have no reason to keep him in the minors. So maybe he gets his shot and overachieves like Kyle Lewis? That’s your hope here. As for Baty, I don’t think he makes enough contact to make a big impact and I worry the glove won’t keep him at 3B. He’ll hit homers, but if he’s relegated to RF he has to make even more contract to stay relevant.

Every year Tim Anderson is a threat to win the AL batting title. In 2019 he hit .335 and followed that up with .322 in 2020. I just worry that production doesn’t translate to elite fantasy points. In 2019 he won the batting title, it was good for 6.4 points per game. Which was 13th best among SS that year. In 2020 he was walking at a higher rate, which could mean better times are around the corner, and I hope that’s the case. While he’s be a star in the MLB and one of the leagues most popular players, he still unproven as a star fantasy asset in DG.

Trade: We Talk Fantasy Sports | Hustle Loyalty Respect

Hustle Loyalty Respect trades away
SP Steven Matz ($33)
3B Rylan Bannon (“prospect”)

We Talk Fantasy Sports trades away
2020 2nd Round Pick

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

I like this trade for We Talk Fantasy Sports because a second round pick is likely to amount to nothing*, although it is less likely to amount to nothing when made by Hustle Loyalty Respect (“the greatest fantasy baseball prospector of his generation” – Steve Fernsler, 2019), while Steven Matz will score points. So there’s that. I like that this move signals WTFS is at least trying to be competitive (bold and daring!) in 2020 instead of mailing it in. Maybe he should probably keep dumping mid-round picks for decent guys and see what happens. I feel like if you spend two random hours in June researching prospects, you can probably find a guy on waivers comparable to whoever you’d get in the second round anyway. I mean, I picked up Pedro Miguel Martinez from the free agent scrap heap and now he’s getting lots of hype on prospect Twitter and appearing on all the dynasty top-100 lists.

* The best second rounders in 2019 were renowned slap dick prospect Xavier Edwards (he will be a stud if we change our scoring to make stolen bases worth 50 points a piece), Tristan Casas, and Alek Thomas, and the latter is mostly valuable because he was traded straight up for a $22 player that scores 800+ points every year and now gets to play all his home games in baseball’s second friendliest hitter’s park. Wander Franco was a second rounder in 2018 though.

Anyway, the trade is fine overall, I will just take the side that is adding a player that will score points in 2020. Good job, Keith. Okay job, Jonny. Have a good day.

 

Trade: The Foundation | Marshall Law

The Foundation trades away
2021 1st Round Pick

Marshall Law trades away
LF/CF/RF Jesse Winker ($5, cost controlled)

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

I’d definitely rather have Jesse Winker (26 years old, .362 career wOBA) than a draft pick a year from now. But I also feel like you can probably trade the pick four months from now and get more for it than you could trading Winker four months from now, since the buying team in that scenario will probably think a 26 year old doesn’t fit their contention window several years into the future. The only obstacle for Winker is playing time but he’s so cheap that it almost doesn’t matter. I would’ve probably paid more than just one future 1st, so good deal for Jordan I guess.

I assume Marshall got pumped the White Sox signed Luis Robert and will have him on the opening day roster, making Winker expendable. That seems fine to me. Steamer projects Robert to score a whopping 12.9 more points than Winker in 2020, although both projections currently assume those guys aren’t getting full time playing time. Robert’s projection should go up, although Winker still projects better on a Pt/PA basis. But shut up nerd, none of that matters because the goal is to play fantasy baseball and not Spread Sheet Supervisor™.

HUSTLE’S TOXIC $0.02

Jesse Winker has eligibility at each OF spot and currently I see only Nimmo, Betts, and Peralta as decent OFers on Marshall’s team with not the most exciting UT options. I guess Robert signing the contract is a good 4th OF to have, but the position situation for Marshall Law isn’t so deep to give away Winker for a pick. The Foundation seems poised to regress from last year, which will make the pick more valuable than it would be this year, but having the 6-9th pick vs having a good cheap OF now seems questionable. It’s a risky move, and I think I agree with Bailey that I would just rather have the sure thing now. In a daily league like DG, the sporadic playing time isn’t that much of an issue, and good hitters generally find a spot eventually. I do like draft picks and prospects, but on Marshall’s team under it’s current construction, Winker helps his team significantly more this year than a pick, unless the pick is packaged for a player better than Winker, which surely in the outcomes. For Jordan, getting Winker greatly increases his OF depth at each spot, so it seems like a no brainer. Jordan outsourcing his picks is also a no brainer. You don’t even need a brain to make a good trade.

Happy New Year

Trade: TBD | Marshall Law

Marshall Law trades away
Marsh, Brandon($0 Prospect)
2021 Draft Pick, Round 3 (We Talk Fantasy Sports)
2020 Draft Pick, Round 1 (Marshall Law)
Lynch, Daniel ($0 Prospect)

TBD trades away
Altuve, Jose ($67)
2021 Draft Pick, Round 4 (The Foundation)

 

Hustle’s Toxic $.02

Trade actually seems pretty good for Marshall I think.  Jose Altuve is expensive, but not THAT expensive like some guys are, and he’s the top 2bman in the game, and somehow still in his 20s. He should be elite for a couple years and at currently one of the more scarce positions. TBD has certainly rebuilt their farm in a few trades. Brandon Marsh, former HLR legend, is someone I like but probably not anything too special. He gets Jayson Werth comps, so that would be his upside.  Lynch is certainly one of the better SP prospects and they get the 5th overall pick too, which probably nets them someone pretty decent.   I kinda think I would have punted someone besides Altuve for prospects, but I’m not intimately familiar with TBD’s roster salary-wise and how much they needed to cut. That’s someone else’s job.

Marshall got a lot of prospects and then traded a bunch away (still having many good ones) to compete for 2020 and has lapped many teams who have yet to make playoffs.  I rank Marshall’s team close to 6 in my  Power Ranking (full rankings available to Hustle Media subscribers), which is a good spot to be in heading into 2020.

BAILEY’S THOUGHTS

Congrats to Marshall on the acquisition of 2019 World Series Runner-Up Jose Altuve and another future shitpick. From the perspective of acquiring fantasy baseball points for your fantasy baseball team, I think this is a great deal for you. All adding 2019 World Series Runner-Up Jose Altuve cost here was two fringe prospects, a meaningless 2021 draft pick, and most of all… the fifth overall pick this year and your choice of CJ Abrams or Riley Greene. Oh man. I know who I’d choose.

Trade: TBD | The Process

TBD trades away

The Process trades away

  • 1B Christian Walker ($7)
  • 2B/SS Terrin Vavra

    BAILEY’S (TOXIC?!) THOUGHTS

    Okay, up front, let me say that I completely understand the following: TBD is way over the salary cap and cuts need to be made or discounts need to be taken in trade; Anthony Rizzo is super expensive; Christian Walker is super cheap and only posted 168.1 fewer points than Rizzo which, given salaries, makes Walker a super attractive value alternative; Terrin Vavra has sweet, sweet cost control. This trade based on all of these facts is fine. This is fine. IT IS FINE, GUYS.

But like… this is all you get for Anthony Rizzo? Dude has had over 1,000 points in all but one season (he had 972 in 2018) since 2014 (so his success is juiced baseball-proof) and he fetches… a cheaper, lesser 1Bman and a not even top-200 prospect at this moment in time? I know who Terrin Vavra is, I get that he’s a prospect that could be a monster a year from now, whatever. This could also be the last time you ever seeBut today he’s… not been on any offseason list I’ve seen. I also get that he’s the secondary piece here but I still feel uncomfortable with seeing a perennial 1,000 point player traded for only two pieces, one of which is a 22-year-old in A-ball that the industry isn’t counting among the league’s 200 best at this moment in time.

In 2019, 56 players scored 1,000 points. In 2018, that number was 42. So to be clear, a guy not even counted among the top 150 or 200 prospects (and uh, Walker) is worth one of the top 40-50 actual scorers in the game, because salary. Fun, fun stuff.

This reeks of TBD rushing to shed budget space and hopping on the first players they liked offered up, which sadly is maybe just where we are as a league now. Maybe they love Walker, maybe they love Vavra. That’s fine. I like both guys too, although I specifically remember Organized Chaos relentlessly offering Walker to me — and everyone else — for weeks straight until finally, mercifully, Ferns accepted one of those deals. Which is funny in retrospect. Because now suddenly he’s super valuable? Anyway…

There are five or six teams with like $250 (of not real money, to be clear) to spend and half those teams haven’t really even checked in yet. Did they know Rizzo was available? Were they interested? Dear god, tell me those teams didn’t say they had no interest in a 1,000 point player and instead want to just wallow in the standings another year bEcAuSe SaLaRy aNd VaLuE (this is totally what happened). And actually, the “I don’t want them, you’re over cap and need to cut so I’ll wait for auction” is a defensible stance for those teams, except players like that never hit auction. They’re given away in trades like these. So you really can’t afford to just shun big time points scorers because of their salary or you’ll simply never have one and if you’re not trying to amass points, why are you here?

It’s a fine DG 2019 trade, it really is. Rizzo’s been hit by so many pitches, who knows, maybe the cliff finds him this year and Walker outscores him. I don’t think that’d change my point. It just, again, doesn’t feel like a “fantasy baseball trade” to me. I recently traded a pointless 5th round draft pick for Clayton Kershaw. Does that not strike anyone as symptomatic? This isn’t MLB where you’re trading millions of real dollars and contractual seasons. It’s just kinda like, sometimes, I don’t know what game we’re actually playing. The trade is fine given all the context, and maybe I’m dumb for trying to re-frame the context, I just feel like the context is unhealthy at this point.

 

Hustle’s TOXIC $.02

Jeeze, those sound like the words of a man whose team is about to lose the World Series. Bailey, please call me tonight if you need to talk. As a veteran fan of a team who just lost BACK TO BACK WORLD SERIES OF THE WORLD, I know that feel.

Anyway this trade…. SEEMS FINE TM. I agree that some of these teams with $200 or so budget not jumping on the Rizzo train is one of the more concerning aspects of this trade.  TBD was way over budget and chose who  they wanted to cut, and got a useful 1b and a prospect that they something in. Seems fine rather than cutting him for nothing. Seems way better than a 5th rounder for Kershaw.  Anyway, I also talked to Josh and he says he did shop Rizzo around to other teams. TBD doesn’t strike me as the team to not do their due diligence, so I believe that this was probably their best deal or close to it.

After years of driving a tank in Dynasty Grinders, Ferns has made a 2017 Baileyesque move and bought an expensive “older” player to finally compete. There’s a post somewhere where Bailey actually wrote/bragged about how he went from Tanker to Champion. Ferns certainly has the roster to compete and that’s his plan. But with only tank driving on his DG resume, is he suited for a role as a competitor in this league? Trades like this tend to say so.

These types of trades are bound to happen in a league that mimics a lot of how MLB operates. Gerrit Cole got traded for a terrible prospect haul by the Pirates, so did JD Martinez, oh wait that was another league, in MLB JD Martinez was literally traded for nothing/Dawell Lugo.  We play in a salary cap league, and sometimes you have a very good team like TBD does, and have to cut cap. They did that. I also don’t think Ferns paid nothing for this either, after greed he’s nearly going to pay 20% of his budget on last years 7th best 1bman. Ferns also gave away a decent 1b in Walker and an OK prospect. I guess I just don’t see this as a free acquisition.

Good trade for both teams guys!

Trade: The Process | The Foundation

The Foundation trades away

The Process trades away

  • 2B/LF Shed Long ($0)

BAILEY’s Thoughts

The Foundation lost Andrew McCutchen fairly early last season to injury and still, against all odds and logic, made the playoffs. So up against budget constraints this year, he seems like an okay guy to just chalk up as unnecessary and punt. And that’s what this is. A punt trade. Cutch got dumped off for a cheap, fringe prospect that should get lots of PAs next year as the Mariners continue their sink to the bottom. Shed Long is likely a bench hitter in this league without the hassle of throwing a dart at Neil Walker or Freddy Galvis at auction. McCutchen is undervalued because of age and salary, so as we often see, this isn’t a fair fantasy baseball trade (McCutchen was pacing for his third consecutive 900+ point season and fetched a fringe top-200 fantasy prospect, yay) so much as the shuffling around of fictitious units of “salary.”

For The Process, this has to be the blueprint for 2020+, right? If you tank for years to amass cheap assets and don’t eventually supplement those guys with reliable points-scorers like Cutch (bankable veteran on a high salary), then it’s not much of a process, is it? It’s just… trying to have a cheap team to no real end. So I like this for The Process. If you’ve got $200-$250 of budget room open and aren’t scouring teams for hand-outs like this, you’re basically waving the white flag already. If Cutch is healthy, he’ll be good and make this team better. He’ll also probably be $60 or so after greed but, again, who cares? You’re paying these player salaries in pretend currency and they’re all one-year deals (or not even that; if The Process struggles, he can pretty easily flip Cutch in-season for something comparable or probably better than Shed Long, right?). Ultimately the name of the game is scoring the most fantasy points (🤯) and Cutch, if fully healthy, is fairly assured of getting you 900 or more of them. To put that in perspective, with the juiciest of juiced balls in 2019, there were still only 53 hitters with 900+ points.

Good trade for both teams, especially The Process for trying to win now.

HUSTLE’S TOXIC $0.02

Bailey wrote a novel about this before I could get a chance to get my bearings, but trade ultimately Seems Fine (TM).  I guess I like Shed Long a bit more than Bailey, and if he continues to lead off, it wouldn’t be surprising if he had a better season than McCutchen.  I like McCutchen to score more and easily consider him a better player, but at a $54 price difference, one of these two pieces is obviously a better value. That being said, both teams did what they needed to do, Jordan cut budget for a lesser player with value upside and Ferns added some stability to his team.  I think it’s a buyer’s market right now, and a lot of teams haven’t been capitalizing on it yet.  Welcome to the offseason Ferns and Jordan!

Trade: Crapital Shitty Income | Long Ball to LF

Crapital Shitty Income trades away
2020 Draft Pick, Round 5 (Organized Chaos)

Long ball to LF (Johnnywise) trades away
Kershaw, Clayton ($125)

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Hustle’s Toxic $.02: Well it happened. The much anticipated 1st trade of the offseason and it’s a… swing and this miss for both teams. Bailey trades for a  he can’t keep.  Leavitt acquires a worthless pick. Boredom has set in.  The long winter without fantasy baseball awaits us all, like death. The World Series hasn’t even happened, and we have already resorted to nonsense.  Lucky for everyone, trade reviews will be back for the offseason because I was once told that “nonsense is your life blood”.  Wise words.  It’s been a while since I’ve done trade reviews.  I’ve hibernated for months, and now I’m back. More toxic than ever.  Hazardous masks will be required attire before reading my reviews.  Again, to sum it up, terrible pointless trade other than to give me a voice to tell you both publicly. Thank you.

 

Trade: Capital City Income | Trumpa Loompas

Trumpa Loompas trades away

  • Grandal, Yasmani C $22
  • Belt, Brandon 1B $26
  • 2019 Draft Pick, Round 1 (Trumpa Loompas)

Capital City Income trades away

  • Stanton, Giancarlo LF/RF $78
  • Solak, Nick 2B (ML)

Jordan’s thoughts: Without digging deep into this trade. I don’t like this trade for Bailey. Not one bit. Trading away Stanton for starter depth seems like the exact opposite of the type of thing you’d want to do. 

I get it, Capital City has to shed salary, perhaps a lot of it. I also get it, there probably was not getting a ton of interest in Stanton. Especially since teams know that Bailey has decisions to make. 

Grandal and Belt are valuable pieces. Both guys project to be in the 700-800 point range, which provides a solid starter, Grandal being a catcher is a nice find. But, Stanton is a transcendent talent. Not really overpaid. And he’s gone.

Simply put, using the Jordan Gillis projection simulator (TM) Bailey lost this trade by losing roughly 115 points and Loompas improved their team by roughly 150 points. These points are meaningless and my projection simulator isn’t worth its digital weight in gold. But, those numbers are fun. 

I don’t love it for Bailey. For Chris with TL, you have to love the deal. Participating is a good start. Getting a top talent outfielder for a couple of replaceable pieces. Looks pretty great. 

I’m glad this trade happens, two teams found some kind of agreement on the value of a guy that needs to be shed. Bailey didn’t lose his ass, and Chris didn’t steal a star talent. I just feel like the deal is still too light.

 

Hustle’s Toxic $.02: This trade seems fine for both teams. 

Bailey had notoriously been shopping high contract guys due to needing to shed some salary, and he did that. The fact that he had shopped guys around for weeks tells me this was either the best deal he could have made or close. Losing Stanton will hurt, but catcher was at least a need and he fills it with one of the best. Brandon Belt struggles to stay healthy and hits in the worst stadium, but at least his Streamer projections are nice. The first round pick is a decent asset.  I don’t hate the return, maybe it should have been more.  I guess if I had to choose between giving up Stanton or Carrasco, I choose Carrasco, but maybe the offers weren’t strong enough to accomplish that here.

For Trumpa Loompa, adding Stanton is a giant uprgade to their offense now led by Stanton,  Machado, and Steven Duggar. Finding a replacement for Grandal won’t be easy, but Stanton’s points should make up for that.  Their next step should be to find a way to add some strong pitching and this team could contend for the playoffs.

Looking strictly at the big picture, these teams constructed their rosters in a way to make moves like this not only possible, but in cases like this a necessity.  When we make trades in fantasy baseball, we are not only trading players, draft picks, and auction cash, but we are trading away ideas.  The idea here is simple, 1) state your needs 2) find a common ground and 3) execute rational decision making.   The decision making we see here in Stanton for smaller contracts and a pick is a perfect example of what we s like to call “trading”.  It’s a beautiful thing.

I really had nothing. I’ll try better next time. 

 

 

 

 

Trade: Team Hydra | TBD

Team Hydra sends: 2B Yoan Moncada (minors)
TBD sends: SP Corey Kluber ($82), RP Dellin Bettances ($14)

Jordan’s thoughts: What a disaster. I get it. You have lots of aces. But, any veteran of fantasy baseball should be well aware, that come fantasy playoff time, pitching rotations change. Two-start weeks start to disappear. That’s why you want seven good and reliable starters, because when it counts (unlike MLB where you can get away with just 3), you need 6 (if you’re lucky) or 7 starters.

Yoan is an impressive prospect, I get it. He probably will see playing time next season. That’s not very helpful now. I don’t see the value in this trade even if TBD was not in the playoff hunt. Trading two real assets for one 21-year-old who is doing quite well in AA seems foolish. Sure, if Moncada comes up and is a top-5 2B, great, you’re sitting on a fat pile of value for a few seasons. However, sitting on players who have great value doesn’t guarantee a future dynasty. Far from it.

Championships require a good roster, great value, but most of all luck. Even if Moncada is a monster and a top 15 MLB fantasy hitter, you still need the other 29 spots on your roster to work out in any given season. And you took a great roster that has a real chance to win it all this season and bruised it hard.

Hydra gets way better here. I love this move for them. They probably can figure out how to keep both players, and they’ll provide more value in the next three or four years than Moncada. Easy move. EVEN IF THEY DON’T keep either player, their shot of winning the whole league just went up because they took from the team they’re tied with and added to their own. Brilliant.

If TBD wins it all anyway, great. “Better lucky than good” is something I hear all too often.

Andrew’s thoughts: Maybe I’m just jealous because I tried to get Moncada and failed, but as soon as this trade popped up in my e-mail, the instinctual feeling I got was “man, prospects are way too valuable.”

I hate this move for TBD and love it for Team Hydra. Respectively, they are the third and fourth place team. They are clinging to the last two playoff spots. I realize TBD can simply fall back on Madison Bumgarner, Jacob deGrom, Tanner Roark, et al now. But I just don’t love punting an indisputable ace and the top overall relief pitcher at this juncture of the season. Granted, RPs aren’t super valuable, but still.

I get the logic. They rode Kluber long enough to get to this point and are in great postseason position with the most points in the league, thus giving them the tie-breaker should they finish with the same record as another team. They are now handing the keys to luck and in turn, getting arguably the best prospect in baseball. But I’m not sure they got enough for handing a direct postseason competitor two players of this caliber.

Oh well!

One other thing: I had forgotten what the original deal TBD made to get Kluber was and when I went back and looked… my god. This trade somehow manages to make that one look even worse. And from TBD’s perspective, you could argue that since they got Kluber for essentially nothing to begin with, he was just house money anyway. Their low initial investment in Kluber does make me like this move a little more for them.